[nmglug] Linux kernel 3.0

[Rob Haag]

I think we are kind of in a transition period here (again)... Ubuntu, for
me, was getting to be too much work to make it what I want. They turned off
so many things, ctrl-alt-backspace being one of the first. I really hate
the Unity menu, although it is much like Gnome-shell...which I really like.

I had to just ditch Ubuntu, going to Mint for me is a good transition stage
as it's based on Ubuntu...I will probably end up at Debian or maybe go way
out to Arch. I may even have to completely switch to Fedora, or CentOS. I
guess my point for switching is that I want to run Linux, and not a distro
that is competing with another OS. At the same time I'm really rooting for
Ubuntu (and others) to keep it up, because they have come quite far in
taking a piece of the desktop OS market and has really helped to put Linux
on the map as a viable desktop OS.

To answer your question (with my opinion)..I think the Mint and Cinnamon
desktops have staying power. Actually they are just schema and extensions
for Gnome 3 (AFAIK), but Mint has been around for quite a while now and
they don't seem to be going anywhere. Plus the Mint/Cinnamon are going to
be carried on by others in some form/name. If you have the hardware (mostly
a good video card supporting 3d/2d acceleration) then give gnome3 a shot
(live-cd will tell, virtual machine...not so much without a lot of fuss
because of 3d accel, etc.). The Mint distro has a couple gnome-shell
extensions that help bring it back to what we were used to in gnome-2...but
with all the new features of gnome-3. They did a great job if you ask me.

Here is my advice, to myself and all of us who are being 'put out' by these
changes. Move our /home folder to a separate partition, and be ready to
re-install whenever we feel like it :)

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM, BrianO'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com> wrote:

> **
> I understand the upgrade distinction and my issue is that unless I upgrade
> my distro I will get left behind in support and the kernel as more apps,
> etc. are tailored to the newer versions of packages. It seems though that
> there are efforts to mitigate the Unity debacle with Mint and Cinnamon
> desktops but will they have staying power and will Ubuntu get it's act
> together and hear our screams?
>
>
> On 01/24/2012 10:45 AM, Jason Schaefer wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM, BrianO'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com> <okeefe at cybermesa.com> wrote:
>
>  Thanks Rob,
>
> I have run apt-get update but have read that your suggestion does a partial
> upgrade and that can cause issues. Is that correct? I'll do some more
>
>  Hi Brian
> I've lost touch with the ubuntu releases but I think that your version
> of 10.10 doesn't have gnome unity. If you do a dist-upgrade it will
> only upgrade the 10.10 distribution and not bring in anything outside
> of it. As Rob pointed out, it won't upgrade your distribution to 11.10
> (or whichever) UNLESS you change your /etc/apt/sources.list or
> equivalent to include a newer distribution. Perhaps the "dist" in
> dist-upgrade is misleading... dist-upgrade is the appropriate way to
> do a "full" upgrade either standing in your current distro or to a new
> one.
> If you want to be more conservative you could use "apt-get upgrade".
> This is less aggressive in its updates and will not add or remove
> packages to facilitate a full upgrade.
> Also, "apt-get update" doesn't actually update packages, it only tells
> the system the latest updates available from the /etc/apt/* repository
> lists.
>  If you are worried, go ahead and send us the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade".
> Jason
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