[nmglug] Poweroff Re: Re: Solved Re: Zombie desktop artifact

[Jonathan Haack]

The shutdown command was marked for deprecation way back in 2015, but it
was not accepted.  I can assure you it is fully functional and all flags
are operational as I have been running Buster for some time now.  (To be
certain, I just tested it for you).

With fairness to you, however, I did not notice that you prepended
"systemctl" to your commands and read too quickly.  Yes, those are the
most modern ways of shutting down and rebooting.  In looking at it
quickly, it seemed you wrote

sudo poweroff

sudo reboot

Which are legacy - and I will be honest - I still use a ton and could
care less for non-server machines.  I read it so quickly your systemctl
looked like sudo to my eyes.

With that said, the article you shared is completely full of it ... and
like everything with systemd, the designers always symlink all the
commands backwards and forwards with few exceptions, so the commands I
put above work, shutdown works, and so, of course, does systemctl.

This is similar to how:

sudo systemctl restart apache2  OR sudo service apache2 restart OR sudo
/etc/init.d/apache2 restart

ALL work within systemd ... That was Leondard P's whole philosophy from
day 1 (whether you/anyone hates systemd or not).

If anyone prefers the old ways only - there is always openRC and devuan.org

Sorry for looking over  your "systemctl" too quickly and seeing sudo ...
my mistake there!




On 8/14/19 10:38 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jonathan,
>
> But apparently things have recently changed with the release of Buster.
>
> Ctrl-Alt-Del still gets you out of the desktop--if you happen to be
> still in the desktop--which in my case, I was not.  I believe that in
> my desperation I tried it, but to be honest, I can't clearly remember. 
>
> At any rate, the first article I happened to look at (the link below
> yours) claims that 'shutdown' is no longer with us:
>
> "Debian 10 has now fully switched to Systemd which means that the
> traditional commands to halt or reboot a system like 'shutdown -h now'
> or 'reboot' will not work anymore. ..."
>
> Tom
>
> toma at debian10kdeHPnb:~$ shutdown -r now
> bash: shutdown: command not found
>
> On 8/14/19 10:08 PM, Jonathan Haack wrote:
>>
>> You may want to consider the shutdown command, it can be configured
>> with much more than the legacy reboot and poweroff commands:
>>
> https://debian-administration.org/article/89/Shutting_down_your_Debian_machine_cleanly
>
>                   ^^Posted by Steve
> <https://debian-administration.org/users/Steve> on Fri 11 Feb 2005 at
> 13:33^^
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On 8/14/19 10:05 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep,  systemd.  This explains it:
>>>
>>> https://www.faqforge.com/linux/distributions/debian/how-to-shutdown-or-reboot-debian-10-buster/
>>>
>>> sudo systemctl poweroff
>>>
>>> sudo systemctl reboot
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/14/19 9:30 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK guys,
>>>>
>>>> I lucked out and stumbled on the fix for my artifact.  Turns out
>>>> the message on the screen can be removed with the same key
>>>> combinations as used to remove widgets *from the panel*, i.e.
>>>> 'Alt-D, R'.  I think.  Now I can't find where I saw that out of
>>>> context.  Anyway, having done that fixes the problem installing
>>>> one-click launchers to the panels too.
>>>>
>>>> I can go to bed happy tonight because *everything* I've set up is
>>>> now working correctly.  Definitely KDE Plasma and definitely not
>>>> Kubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> But I still need to figure out how to get terminal
>>>> shutdown/reboot/halt installed.  Back to all that excellent
>>>> documentation in the wikis and the desktop.  Must be in there
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> On 8/14/19 7:46 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
>>>>> Hello NMGLUG,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a two-day old install of Debian 10 with KDE Plasma
>>>>> desktop ...
>>>>>
>>>>> *'ctrl-alt-esc' will kill Plasma (but leave application windows
>>>>> running, presumably because they run in different threads) but I
>>>>> don't yet know how to restart Plasma from the terminal, and for
>>>>> some reason there is no 'shutdown', 'reboot' or 'halt' command
>>>>> installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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