Don't get me started on Java (I miss Sun...) :) I know were you stand though, I develop web apps and now I am thinking about buying a separate machine to run a LAMP stack (probably with Ubuntu server :) ). That way I won't have all those 'special' settings to deal with either...at least not as many. It takes me several days to get my workstation to where I need it after a fresh install.<div>
<br></div><div>The Mint 2d desktop is still pretty nice too, also speaking of Java...Mint goes straight for Oracle Java and skirts around OpenJDK...although I hope OpenJDK keeps it up too (more like 'don't get me started on Oracle'). Also, I am the type who is a 'tech junky' enabler, so I'm always encouraging people to buy new hardware :) I just got a totally powerful laptop for $329. I needed a Win machine (gross), but it's a great piece of hardware for the money. Unfortunately you don't have Micro Center in NM (I came back to Ohio in July)...but when shopping I noticed that walmart was almost right in line with prices vs. hardware.</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:31 PM, BrianO'Keefe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Good rant! There are a couple of issues with me moving to either
Unity or Gnome 3 but the biggest is I don't have 3D acceleration
with my chipset. I've explored it a bit and though it is apparently
"disabled" I also can't enable it and apparently it isn't possible.
So that is a major issue and a deal breaker as I would have to use
Unity 2D which doesn't seem to work well at all.<br>
I have installed so many apps with dpkg and am running many Java and
python apps so just putting my /home directory on a separate
partition doesn't solve the issue either. I've got major
customization too that has made my laptop a good fit for me so....<br>
I could buy another, better laptop that is 64 bit and probably just
switch the HD for what I have or clone my current to the new one but
I really hate that Ubuntu's decisions are forcing me to these sorts
of choices. <br><div><div class="h5">
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On 01/28/2012 02:10 PM, Rob Haag wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">I think we are kind of in a transition period here
(again)... Ubuntu, for me, was getting to be too much work to make
it what I want. They turned off so many things, ctrl-alt-backspace
being one of the first. I really hate the Unity menu, although it
is much like Gnome-shell...which I really like.
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<div>I had to just ditch Ubuntu, going to Mint for me is a
good transition stage as it's based on Ubuntu...I will probably
end up at Debian or maybe go way out to Arch. I may even have to
completely switch to Fedora, or CentOS. I guess my point for
switching is that I want to run Linux, and not a distro that is
competing with another OS. At the same time I'm really rooting
for Ubuntu (and others) to keep it up, because they have come
quite far in taking a piece of the desktop OS market and has
really helped to put Linux on the map as a viable desktop OS. </div>
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<div>To answer your question (with my opinion)..I think the Mint
and Cinnamon desktops have staying power. Actually they are just
schema and extensions for Gnome 3 (AFAIK), but Mint has been
around for quite a while now and they don't seem to be going
anywhere. Plus the Mint/Cinnamon are going to be carried on by
others in some form/name. If you have the hardware (mostly a
good video card supporting 3d/2d acceleration) then give gnome3
a shot (live-cd will tell, virtual machine...not so much without
a lot of fuss because of 3d accel, etc.). The Mint distro has a
couple gnome-shell extensions that help bring it back to what we
were used to in gnome-2...but with all the new features of
gnome-3. They did a great job if you ask me.
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<div>Here is my advice, to myself and all of us who are being
'put out' by these changes. Move our /home folder to a
separate partition, and be ready to re-install whenever we
feel like it :)<br>
<br>
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM, BrianO'Keefe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com" target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I understand the
upgrade distinction and my issue is that unless I
upgrade my distro I will get left behind in support and
the kernel as more apps, etc. are tailored to the newer
versions of packages. It seems though that there are
efforts to mitigate the Unity debacle with Mint and
Cinnamon desktops but will they have staying power and
will Ubuntu get it's act together and hear our screams?
<div><br>
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On 01/24/2012 10:45 AM, Jason Schaefer wrote: </div>
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<pre>On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM, BrianO'Keefe <a href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com" target="_blank"><okeefe@cybermesa.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>Thanks Rob,
I have run apt-get update but have read that your suggestion does a partial
upgrade and that can cause issues. Is that correct? I'll do some more
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<pre>Hi Brian
I've lost touch with the ubuntu releases but I think that your version
of 10.10 doesn't have gnome unity. If you do a dist-upgrade it will
only upgrade the 10.10 distribution and not bring in anything outside
of it. As Rob pointed out, it won't upgrade your distribution to 11.10
(or whichever) UNLESS you change your /etc/apt/sources.list or
equivalent to include a newer distribution. Perhaps the "dist" in
dist-upgrade is misleading... dist-upgrade is the appropriate way to
do a "full" upgrade either standing in your current distro or to a new
one.
If you want to be more conservative you could use "apt-get upgrade".
This is less aggressive in its updates and will not add or remove
packages to facilitate a full upgrade.
Also, "apt-get update" doesn't actually update packages, it only tells
the system the latest updates available from the /etc/apt/* repository
lists.
If you are worried, go ahead and send us the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade".
Jason
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