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    I'll check clonezilla out though dd seemed fast enough for my needs.
    Still smart can be good.<br>
    <br>
    On 08/23/2012 07:44 AM, John Osmon wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:20120823134428.GA2966@jeeves.rigozsaurus.com"
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      <pre wrap="">I'm glad people are using dd and getting a good grip on its power.

However, for backup/restoration of disks like this, I'd rather use
clonezilla.  It is smart enough to know about filesystems, so it
doesn't have to touch *every* block on the disk -- so it has the 
possibility of being much faster.

Far be it from me to tell people that my vice-grip is better than
theirs -- but sometimes it's useful to know about other tools!



On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 07:20:04AM -0600, BrianO'Keefe wrote:
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        <pre wrap="">   Thanks Rob. Maybe your response is to more than I am trying to do. The USB
   drive is bootable and I'm just trying to get the Acer to boot form it. If
   I can do that then I'll feel confident DDing my current int the laptop HD
   onto the Acer HD (or the other 500GB drive I have). I've used dd several
   times this way, dding my HD to a new and larger capacity USB drive and
   then replacing the HD in my laptop with the new copied HD.
   So I just want to experiment first so are you saying that my bootable USB
   drive won't boot on the new Acer without some sort of futzing about?
   I have powered down and powered up the modem and router as you suggest to
   no avail. I'm going to check my settings from the old D-Link router and
   see if they're different. I remember Cybermesa changed their IP addresses
   a while back and maybe the router doesn't know that?

   Brian

   On 08/22/2012 11:34 PM, Rob Haag wrote:

     Did you move the MBR over as well? The easiest way to get the MBR to a
     drive is with 'DD' (google), just be careful what you do with dd because
     it will do exactly what you ask of it. I'm not sure if the boot flag is
     important for a linux bootloader, but I always look if I'm having issues
     with booting and it has never hurt having it set. Gparted is good, but
     fdisk (command line) might be faster and easier to check the boot flag.
     But, if I'm feeling lazy I'll google up a tutorial about migrating a HDD
     using GParted, which is pretty user friendly. Theres tons of guides out
     there, especially since using virtual machines and cloud computing has
     become so trendy... thanks to cheap powerful hardware :)
     Also, the router... right off the top of my head, it sounds like maybe
     the new router didn't get a DHCP assignment from the modem. You may
     already know this and have tried it but I would unplug both (mdm &
     router), turn on the modem first and let it come up, then turn on the
     router and see if that makes a connection.
     Rob Haag

     On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:15 AM, BrianO'Keefe <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[1]okeefe@cybermesa.com"><[1]okeefe@cybermesa.com></a>
     wrote:

       I got the acer today and just tried booting from my USB ubuntu drive
       and I can't. I can set the boot order, which I did, but still no boot
       from the USB drive.
       The USB drive Ubuntu is a clone of my current HD, 10.04. Both machines
       are AMD 64 bit

       Any ideas?

       Another question: I bought a new Cisco router after trying a Netgear
       yesterday to replace my D-Link that is 8 years old. Neither one of the
       new routers will talk to my Westelll d90, DSL modem that is about 8
       years old too. Compatibility issues?

       Thanks in advance

       Brian

       On 08/18/2012 12:27 AM, Rob Haag wrote:

         I second what Andy says (if you can shell the extra dough), I
         upgraded my workstation to a Core2 Quad and I love it. It performs
         near what one of the i3-i5 does, probably for more electric but I am
         very happy. I think a quad core AMD would be nice too, I'm sure...
         especially when you run Linux, I imagine it has a better processor
         scheduler :) In fact, the kernel just got a new one not too far back
         and if I remember right 3.0 kernel is full-on taking advantage of
         multi core processors.
         Rob Haag

         On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Farnsworth
         <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[2]farnsaw@stonedoor.com"><[2]farnsaw@stonedoor.com></a> wrote:

           Look on the bottom of your Toshiba and see if there is a MS
           Windows sticker with a code.  That is the license and it will tell
           you if it is Windows XP or what.  if it is, you just need to find
           media to do the wipe and install then either sell or gift it to
           someone.  Yes, I know you can do the same with Linux on it, but
           MOST people won't buy it if it doesn't have windows.  If the
           sticker isn't there, then you will need to either find the
           original media which will most likely have the license key with
           it, or you will need to buy new which isn't worth it.  Let the
           buyer do that if they want.  Just DBAN the laptop and put a basic
           install of something like Ubuntu on it and then sell it or gift
           it.
           Andy

           On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, BrianO'Keefe
           <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[3]okeefe@cybermesa.com"><[3]okeefe@cybermesa.com></a> wrote:

             Thanks Andy,
             I checked out the CPUs on PassMark CPU and you are totally
             correct. The A5560 is almost clocking 4x faster. I ordered it!
             I never thought about the Windows license. I suppose this
             Toshiba has one but I wouldn't know how to find it.

             New laptop should be here by Tuesday! Now when those SSDHDs get
             down to a reasonable price I can justify upgrading.

             Brian
             On 08/17/2012 03:16 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote:

               If the $60 is not too much, go for the  A5560-7414.  The .15
               Ghz difference won't make a difference really and if you are
               in single threaded / single core mode this one will turbo up
               to 2.4 Ghz.  So you get more modern, more powerful and faster
               cpu, better graphics, better power savings, a bigger HD all
               for $60.  Sounds like a deal to me.  I know many people will
               state otherwise, but have a Windows  license for you laptop is
               a good thing... it improves resale value.
               Andy

               On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, BrianO'Keefe
               <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[4]okeefe@cybermesa.com"><[4]okeefe@cybermesa.com></a> wrote:

                 Anyone help me out with these laptops from Newegg?

                 So this for $319:
                 ASUS A53U-ES21 Notebook AMD Dual-Core Processor
                 E-450(1.65GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 320GB HDD 5400rpm
                 DVD±R/RW AMD Radeon HD 6320
                 and I have a brand new 500GB HD for it.
                 Or this for $379:
                 Acer Aspire A5560-7414 Notebook AMD A-Series
                 A6-3420M(1.5GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD
                 Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 6520G . The CPU is a quad core.

                 Advice please?

                 No on the HP I wrote about earlier as it has no optical
                 drive.

                 Many Thanks,

                 Brian

                 On 08/16/2012 10:16 PM, Rob Haag wrote:

                   Not bad for first hardware, I was just remembering
                   recently how my first computer had floppies (5.25"). My
                   first hard drive was 15mb (yep, that is Megabytes :) ).
                   Now I'm giving my age away, but I know older nerds :) I'm
                   quite surprised lately at how cheap hardware is getting, I
                   find (capable) laptops for under $200. It makes it a bit
                   easier to move onto new hardware when they are so cheap,
                   and recycling old ones is responsible too... so we don't
                   have to milk every last drop of service from the old
                   units.
                   Good luck and your welcome, of course
                   Rob

                   On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM, BrianO'Keefe
                   <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[5]okeefe@cybermesa.com"><[5]okeefe@cybermesa.com></a> wrote:

                     Thanks so much Rob. I've cloned my HD several times as
                     larger cpacity ones came on market and installed them
                     into this laptop and yes, SATA.  I think though that
                     it's time to stop trying to make this workhorse pull the
                     loads that newer OS versions and all the software that
                     I've installed amount to. amazing to think my first
                     computer was a Mac G3 Desktop with a 4GB HD!!
                     I'll check out micro center for sure.

                     Thanks again

                     Brian

                     On 08/16/2012 09:59 PM, Rob Haag wrote:

                       Does your Toshiba have a SATA hard drive? All the new
                       ones do, surely this unit at Newegg does too. But you
                       may also sacrifice speed/reliability to swap it out. I
                       may suggest you take an image of your old HDD with
                       GParted or even the 'dd' command, then put that image
                       on the new hard drive, then grow the new hard drive's
                       partition to utilize the extra space (if the new on is
                       bigger (in capacity)... or partition whats left over
                       and mount that partition too. It's not a fantasy to
                       swap hard drives though, if you thinking 'will it
                       start up in the new hardware?'  Also, the new laptop
                       you linked to certainly supports accelerated 3D
                       graphics, which sounds like a step up for you in that
                       department.
                       Just for the fun of it, check out Micro Center. Not
                       every deal ships (some are 'in store only'). I
                       re-located to Columbus, OH and we have Micro Center
                       here, my dad just picked up a really nice Asus laptop
                       for $249 that supports accelerated graphics, the RAM
                       is a bit lower than what you found at Newegg, but
                       could be upgraded for $20-30 to 4gb. I have had very
                       good service from Micro Center too, they are very
                       customer oriented. It's worth a quick look, but
                       unfortunately most of the 'good' deals are 'in store
                       only'
                       MicroCenter [6]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.microcenter.com/">http://www.microcenter.com/</a>
                       Good luck,
                       Rob Haag
                       On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM, BrianO'Keefe
                       <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[7]okeefe@cybermesa.com"><[7]okeefe@cybermesa.com></a> wrote:

                         Hey all,

                         I have the Toshiba satellite with an AMD 64 bit
                         processor. One of my main issues is that the
                         notebook doesn't have the newer video capability to
                         run Ubuntu beyond what I have, which is 10.10 except
                         in crappy 2D mode (or vintage or whatever they call
                         it).
                         This Acer laptop
                         [8]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215371&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL081612&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL081612-_-EMC-081612-Index-_-LaptopsNotebooks-_-34215371-L0A">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215371&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL081612&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL081612-_-EMC-081612-Index-_-LaptopsNotebooks-_-34215371-L0A</a>

                         is capable, I think, and I'm wondering if I could
                         pop my HD from the Toshiba into it and just run with
                         it. Or is that a fantasy? The price is great and it
                         gets good reviews.

                         Advice?

                         Muchas gracias

                         Brian
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