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    Wow, what a day yesterday with the router/modem. Cybermesa tried and
    tried but even they couldn't get the new router to talk to the
    modem. They finally decided that the modem was too old to be
    compatible with the router so....After 4 -5 calls they finally said
    to come pick up a new modem that doesn't need a router; it would
    broadcast wifi itself. So I drove over there like a bat out of hell,
    picked up the modem, plugged it all in and called them for setup
    instructions set my own preferences and magically, it works great!
    It has greater range than the Cisco router for $160.00 and it was
    free! No option for guest account but that doesn't matter to me. so
    that issue is done with.<br>
    <br>
    The Acer is more complex. I made a bootable Ubuntu image on a USB
    stick and tried to boot that up. all I got was a black screen and no
    sound or anything. I googled away and found this (not my Acer model
    but...):<br>
    <br>
    " <strong>Re: Acer Aspire 5732Z Black Screen on 11.04</strong>
    <hr style="color: rgb(247, 246, 245); background-color: rgb(247,
      246, 245);" size="1"> It's a <b>backlight</b> problem. The screen
    was not completely blank.<br>
    <br>
    To reach a stage to be able to even edit the files mentioned by
    unkown47:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>At the grub loading screen, press "e" to edit the line. Add
        "i915.broken=1" to the boot options. Ctrl+x to boot.</li>
      <li>When you get into Ubuntu GUI, follow unknown 47's instructions
        for "If it is already installed:".</li>
    </ul>
    And the USB booted up and I can run 12.04. Hat the Unity desktop but
    I installed Cinnamon and Cairo dock so that would be fine.<br>
    However, this is s USB stick and not my USB HD (that is a clone of
    my current installed HD though older so missing about 8 months of
    data) that I can boot on my Toshiba satellite laptop, and that is
    what I'd like to do before I clone my HD onto the new Acer HD. I'd
    like to know that it will boot.<br>
    <br>
    Any ideas?  Thanks in advance<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 08/22/2012 11:34 PM, Rob Haag wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAC0=j07503SAyc6fyBcdcmRvmRE4xuNr_yS942Ryqw82hzcv_g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Did you move the MBR over as well? The easiest way to
      get the MBR to a drive is with 'DD' (google), just be careful what
      you do with dd because it will do exactly what you ask of it. I'm
      not sure if the boot flag is important for a linux bootloader, but
      I always look if I'm having issues with booting and it has never
      hurt having it set. Gparted is good, but fdisk (command line)
      might be faster and easier to check the boot flag. But, if I'm
      feeling lazy I'll google up a tutorial about migrating a HDD using
      GParted, which is pretty user friendly. Theres tons of guides out
      there, especially since using virtual machines and cloud computing
      has become so trendy... thanks to cheap powerful hardware :) 
      <div>
        <br>
      </div>
      <div>Also, the router... right off the top of my head, it sounds
        like maybe the new router didn't get a DHCP assignment from the
        modem. You may already know this and have tried it but I would
        unplug both (mdm & router), turn on the modem first and let
        it come up, then turn on the router and see if that makes a
        connection.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Rob Haag<br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:15 AM,
          BrianO'Keefe <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com" target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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            padding-left: 1ex;">
            <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I got the acer today
              and just tried booting from my USB ubuntu drive and I
              can't. I can set the boot order, which I did, but still no
              boot from the USB drive.<br>
              The USB drive Ubuntu is a clone of my current HD, 10.04.
              Both machines are AMD 64 bit<br>
              <br>
              Any ideas?<br>
              <br>
              Another question: I bought a new Cisco router after trying
              a Netgear yesterday to replace my D-Link that is 8 years
              old. Neither one of the new routers will talk to my
              Westelll d90, DSL modem that is about 8 years old too.
              Compatibility issues?<br>
              <br>
              Thanks in advance
              <div class="im"><br>
                <br>
                Brian<br>
                <br>
                On 08/18/2012 12:27 AM, Rob Haag wrote: </div>
              <div>
                <div class="h5">
                  <blockquote type="cite">I second what Andy says (if
                    you can shell the extra dough), I upgraded my
                    workstation to a Core2 Quad and I love it. It
                    performs near what one of the i3-i5 does, probably
                    for more electric but I am very happy. I think a
                    quad core AMD would be nice too, I'm sure...
                    especially when you run Linux, I imagine it has a
                    better processor scheduler :) In fact, the kernel
                    just got a new one not too far back and if I
                    remember right 3.0 kernel is full-on taking
                    advantage of multi core processors.
                    <div> <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Rob Haag<br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at
                        9:38 PM, Andrew Farnsworth <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:farnsaw@stonedoor.com"
                            target="_blank">farnsaw@stonedoor.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:
                          0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid
                          rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Look
                          on the bottom of your Toshiba and see if there
                          is a MS Windows sticker with a code.  That is
                          the license and it will tell you if it is
                          Windows XP or what.  if it is, you just need
                          to find media to do the wipe and install then
                          either sell or gift it to someone.  Yes, I
                          know you can do the same with Linux on it, but
                          MOST people won't buy it if it doesn't have
                          windows.  If the sticker isn't there, then you
                          will need to either find the original media
                          which will most likely have the license key
                          with it, or you will need to buy new which
                          isn't worth it.  Let the buyer do that if they
                          want.  Just DBAN the laptop and put a basic
                          install of something like Ubuntu on it and
                          then sell it or gift it.
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div> <br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Andy<br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 17,
                                  2012 at 7:36 PM, BrianO'Keefe <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com"
                                      target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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                                    <div bgcolor="#ffffff"
                                      text="#000000"> Thanks Andy,<br>
                                      I checked out the CPUs on PassMark
                                      CPU and you are totally correct.
                                      The A5560 is almost clocking 4x
                                      faster. I ordered it!<br>
                                      I never thought about the Windows
                                      license. I suppose this Toshiba
                                      has one but I wouldn't know how to
                                      find it.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      New laptop should be here by
                                      Tuesday! Now when those SSDHDs get
                                      down to a reasonable price I can
                                      justify upgrading.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Brian <br>
                                      <div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                          On 08/17/2012 03:16 PM, Andrew
                                          Farnsworth wrote:
                                          <blockquote type="cite">If the
                                            $60 is not too much, go for
                                            the  A5560-7414.  The .15
                                            Ghz difference won't make a
                                            difference really and if you
                                            are in single threaded /
                                            single core mode this one
                                            will turbo up to 2.4 Ghz.
                                             So you get more modern,
                                            more powerful and faster
                                            cpu, better graphics, better
                                            power savings, a bigger HD
                                            all for $60.  Sounds like a
                                            deal to me.  I know many
                                            people will state otherwise,
                                            but have a Windows  license
                                            for you laptop is a good
                                            thing... it improves resale
                                            value.
                                            <div> <br>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Andy<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at
                                                  4:36 PM, BrianO'Keefe
                                                  <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com"
                                                      target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote"
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                                                    <div
                                                      bgcolor="#ffffff"
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                                                      Anyone help me out
                                                      with these laptops
                                                      from Newegg?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      So this for $319:<br>
                                                      ASUS A53U-ES21
                                                      Notebook AMD
                                                      Dual-Core
                                                      Processor
                                                      E-450(1.65GHz)
                                                      15.6" 4GB Memory
                                                      DDR3 320GB HDD
                                                      5400rpm DVD±R/RW
                                                      AMD Radeon HD 6320
                                                      <br>
                                                      and I have a brand
                                                      new 500GB HD for
                                                      it.<br>
                                                      Or this for $379:<br>
                                                      Acer Aspire
                                                      A5560-7414
                                                      Notebook AMD
                                                      A-Series
                                                      A6-3420M(1.5GHz)
                                                      15.6" 4GB Memory
                                                      500GB HDD 5400rpm
                                                      DVD Super Multi
                                                      AMD Radeon HD
                                                      6520G . The CPU is
                                                      a quad core.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Advice please?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      No on the HP I
                                                      wrote about
                                                      earlier as it has
                                                      no optical drive.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Many Thanks,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Brian
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        On 08/16/2012
                                                        10:16 PM, Rob
                                                        Haag wrote: </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">Not

                                                          bad for first
                                                          hardware, I
                                                          was just
                                                          remembering
                                                          recently how
                                                          my first
                                                          computer had
                                                          floppies
                                                          (5.25"). My
                                                          first hard
                                                          drive was 15mb
                                                          (yep, that is
                                                          Megabytes :)
                                                          ). Now I'm
                                                          giving my age
                                                          away, but I
                                                          know older
                                                          nerds :) I'm
                                                          quite
                                                          surprised
                                                          lately at how
                                                          cheap hardware
                                                          is getting, I
                                                          find (capable)
                                                          laptops for
                                                          under $200. It
                                                          makes it a bit
                                                          easier to move
                                                          onto new
                                                          hardware when
                                                          they are so
                                                          cheap, and
                                                          recycling old
                                                          ones is
                                                          responsible
                                                          too... so we
                                                          don't have to
                                                          milk every
                                                          last drop of
                                                          service from
                                                          the old units.
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Good luck
                                                          and your
                                                          welcome, of
                                                          course</div>
                                                          <div>Rob<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Fri, Aug 17,
                                                          2012 at 12:10
                                                          AM,
                                                          BrianO'Keefe <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com"
                                                          target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          <div
                                                          bgcolor="#ffffff"
                                                          text="#000000">
                                                          Thanks so much
                                                          Rob. I've
                                                          cloned my HD
                                                          several times
                                                          as larger
                                                          cpacity ones
                                                          came on market
                                                          and installed
                                                          them into this
                                                          laptop and
                                                          yes, SATA.  I
                                                          think though
                                                          that it's time
                                                          to stop trying
                                                          to make this
                                                          workhorse pull
                                                          the loads that
                                                          newer OS
                                                          versions and
                                                          all the
                                                          software that
                                                          I've installed
                                                          amount to.
                                                          amazing to
                                                          think my first
                                                          computer was a
                                                          Mac G3 Desktop
                                                          with a 4GB
                                                          HD!!<br>
                                                          I'll check out
                                                          micro center
                                                          for sure.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks again<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Brian
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 08/16/2012
                                                          09:59 PM, Rob
                                                          Haag wrote:
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">Does

                                                          your Toshiba
                                                          have a SATA
                                                          hard drive?
                                                          All the new
                                                          ones do,
                                                          surely this
                                                          unit at Newegg
                                                          does too. But
                                                          you may also
                                                          sacrifice
                                                          speed/reliability
                                                          to swap it
                                                          out. I may
                                                          suggest you
                                                          take an image
                                                          of your old
                                                          HDD with
                                                          GParted or
                                                          even the 'dd'
                                                          command, then
                                                          put that image
                                                          on the new
                                                          hard drive,
                                                          then grow the
                                                          new hard
                                                          drive's
                                                          partition to
                                                          utilize the
                                                          extra space
                                                          (if the new on
                                                          is bigger (in
                                                          capacity)...
                                                          or partition
                                                          whats left
                                                          over and mount
                                                          that partition
                                                          too. It's not
                                                          a fantasy to
                                                          swap hard
                                                          drives though,
                                                          if you
                                                          thinking 'will
                                                          it start up in
                                                          the new
                                                          hardware?'
                                                           Also, the new
                                                          laptop you
                                                          linked to
                                                          certainly
                                                          supports
                                                          accelerated 3D
                                                          graphics,
                                                          which sounds
                                                          like a step up
                                                          for you in
                                                          that
                                                          department.
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Just for
                                                          the fun of it,
                                                          check out
                                                          Micro Center.
                                                          Not every deal
                                                          ships (some
                                                          are 'in store
                                                          only'). I
                                                          re-located to
                                                          Columbus, OH
                                                          and we have
                                                          Micro Center
                                                          here, my dad
                                                          just picked up
                                                          a really nice
                                                          Asus laptop
                                                          for $249 that
                                                          supports
                                                          accelerated
                                                          graphics, the
                                                          RAM is a bit
                                                          lower than
                                                          what you found
                                                          at Newegg, but
                                                          could be
                                                          upgraded for
                                                          $20-30 to 4gb.
                                                          I have had
                                                          very good
                                                          service from
                                                          Micro Center
                                                          too, they are
                                                          very customer
                                                          oriented. It's
                                                          worth a quick
                                                          look, but
                                                          unfortunately
                                                          most of the
                                                          'good' deals
                                                          are 'in store
                                                          only'</div>
                                                          <div>MicroCenter <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.microcenter.com/"
                                                          target="_blank">http://www.microcenter.com/</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Good
                                                          luck,</div>
                                                          <div>Rob Haag</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Thu, Aug 16,
                                                          2012 at 11:36
                                                          PM,
                                                          BrianO'Keefe <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com"
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                                                          Hey all,<br>
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                                                          I have the
                                                          Toshiba
                                                          satellite with
                                                          an AMD 64 bit
                                                          processor. One
                                                          of my main
                                                          issues is that
                                                          the notebook
                                                          doesn't have
                                                          the newer
                                                          video
                                                          capability to
                                                          run Ubuntu
                                                          beyond what I
                                                          have, which is
                                                          10.10 except
                                                          in crappy 2D
                                                          mode (or
                                                          vintage or
                                                          whatever they
                                                          call it).<br>
                                                          This Acer
                                                          laptop   <a
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                                                          <br>
                                                          is capable, I
                                                          think, and I'm
                                                          wondering if I
                                                          could pop my
                                                          HD from the
                                                          Toshiba into
                                                          it and just
                                                          run with it.
                                                          Or is that a
                                                          fantasy? The
                                                          price is great
                                                          and it gets
                                                          good reviews.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Advice?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Muchas gracias<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Brian<br>
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