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    I have used every browser same effect. Can't connect w/Lynx either.
    Can only connect w/ VMs as I wrote<br>
    <br>
    . txt files: (sorry that I was rushing and forgot about the files
    themselves!)<br>
    <br>
    I'll be out for a while too.<br>
    <br>
    "traceroute to google.com (216.58.217.46), 30 hops max, 60 byte
    packets<br>
     1  gateway (192.168.1.1)  1.196 ms  1.549 ms  1.673 ms<br>
     2  ar1.snfenmma.cybermesa.com (65.19.28.1)  40.811 ms  41.607 ms 
    41.699 ms<br>
     3  er1.snfenmma.cybermesa.com (65.19.3.55)  177.635 ms  177.707 ms
    *<br>
     4  65.154.29.169 (65.154.29.169)  47.678 ms  48.172 ms *<br>
     5  abq-edge-07.inet.qwest.net (204.98.144.193)  52.493 ms  52.846
    ms  52.825 ms<br>
     6  * * *<br>
     7  67.134.166.226 (67.134.166.226)  130.195 ms  131.056 ms  132.130
    ms<br>
     8  72.14.234.57 (72.14.234.57)  54.070 ms  54.758 ms  55.746 ms<br>
     9  209.85.250.255 (209.85.250.255)  136.103 ms  136.237 ms  136.696
    ms<br>
    10  den03s10-in-f46.1e100.net (216.58.217.46)  58.828 ms  59.742 ms 
    60.637 ms"<br>
    <br>
    "traceroute to 172.217.11.238 (172.217.11.238), 30 hops max, 60 byte
    packets<br>
     1  gateway (192.168.1.1)  4.259 ms  4.204 ms  4.483 ms<br>
     2  ar1.snfenmma.cybermesa.com (65.19.28.1)  43.727 ms  44.594 ms *<br>
     3  er1.snfenmma.cybermesa.com (65.19.3.55)  47.120 ms  47.476 ms 
    47.565 ms<br>
     4  65.154.29.169 (65.154.29.169)  48.667 ms  49.821 ms  50.819 ms<br>
     5  abq-edge-07.inet.qwest.net (204.98.144.193)  53.722 ms  54.641
    ms  55.671 ms<br>
     6  * * *<br>
     7  67.134.166.226 (67.134.166.226)  126.949 ms  129.755 ms  134.043
    ms<br>
     8  72.14.234.57 (72.14.234.57)  56.297 ms  55.302 ms  56.868 ms<br>
     9  64.233.174.209 (64.233.174.209)  57.392 ms  58.260 ms  59.138 ms<br>
    10  den02s01-in-f14.1e100.net (172.217.11.238)  62.543 ms  62.525
    ms  62.835 ms"<br>
    <br>
    "<br>
    ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> @8.8.8.8
    any ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net<br>
    ; (1 server found)<br>
    ;; global options: +cmd<br>
    ;; Got answer:<br>
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id:
    62163<br>
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1<br>
    <br>
    ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<br>
    ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512<br>
    ;; QUESTION SECTION:<br>
    ;ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net. IN    ANY<br>
    <br>
    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:<br>
    net.            899    IN    SOA    a.gtld-servers.net.
    nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1494716002 1800 900 604800 86400<br>
    <br>
    ;; Query time: 99 msec<br>
    ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)<br>
    ;; WHEN: Sat May 13 16:53:29 MDT 2017<br>
    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 136"<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    "; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> any
    ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net<br>
    ;; global options: +cmd<br>
    ;; Got answer:<br>
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id:
    24524<br>
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1<br>
    <br>
    ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<br>
    ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512<br>
    ;; QUESTION SECTION:<br>
    ;ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net. IN    ANY<br>
    <br>
    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:<br>
    net.            899    IN    SOA    a.gtld-servers.net.
    nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1494715972 1800 900 604800 86400<br>
    <br>
    ;; Query time: 98 msec<br>
    ;; SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1)<br>
    ;; WHEN: Sat May 13 16:53:11 MDT 2017<br>
    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 136"<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/13/2017 05:02 PM, Max Bond wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKrUFkgk5HZxvcwZQwmJq_iHwNPMvkgpR2tZGE2HZyxAza1s-Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>What I can conclude for the information that was in the
              email is that you are able to reach <a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://google.com">https://google.com</a>
              from the terminal. Since you said you weren't able to do
              this from the browser, that suggests you were correct
              & that the issue is with your browser.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Could you tell us precisely which browser you're using &
            what version? You mentioned using Firefox; have you tried
            from Chromium?<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          Thanks,<br>
        </div>
        Max<br>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Max
          Bond <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:max.o.bond@gmail.com" target="_blank">max.o.bond@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>
                <div>Hey Brian,<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                Pardon me for not explaining better, but those commands
                created a series of .txt files (tr-dns.txt,
                tr-direct.txt, etc) which have the relevant information
                inside them.<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              Could you attach those files? The names are at the end of
              every line, after the ">".<br>
            </div>
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56
                    PM, Brian OKeefe <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com"
                        target="_blank">okeefe@cybermesa.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> thanks Max,<br>
                        <br>
                        Here's the terminal output:<br>
                        <br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# traceroute
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                        > tr-dns.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# traceroute
                        172.217.11.238 > tr-direct.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# dig any <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net"
                          target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                        > nxdomain-default.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# dig @<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://8.8.8.8"
                          target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a> any <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net"
                          target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                        > nxdomain-google.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# <br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# <br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# dig @<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://8.8.8.8"
                          target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a> any <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net"
                          target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                        > nxdomain-google.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# dig any <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                        > dns-default.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# dig @<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://8.8.8.8"
                          target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a> any <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                        > dns-google.txt<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# curl -IX
                        HEAD <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                        > http-dns.txt<br>
                          % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  
                        Time    Time     Time  Current<br>
                                                      <wbr>   Dload 
                        Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed<br>
                          0   219    0     0    0     0      0      0
                        --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--     0<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# curl -IX
                        HEAD -H "Host: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>"
                        172.217.11.238 > http-direct.txt<br>
                          % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  
                        Time    Time     Time  Current<br>
                                                      <wbr>   Dload 
                        Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed<br>
                          0   219    0     0    0     0      0      0
                        --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--     0<br>
                        root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubunt<wbr>u# (echo -en
                        "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>\r\n\r\n";
                        sleep 5;) | openssl s_client -connect <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://172.217.11.238:443"
                          target="_blank">172.217.11.238:443</a> >
                        https-direct.txt<br>
                        depth=3 C = US, O = Equifax, OU = Equifax Secure
                        Certificate Authority<br>
                        verify return:1<br>
                        depth=2 C = US, O = GeoTrust Inc., CN = GeoTrust
                        Global CA<br>
                        verify return:1<br>
                        depth=1 C = US, O = Google Inc, CN = Google
                        Internet Authority G2<br>
                        verify return:1<br>
                        depth=0 C = US, ST = California, L = Mountain
                        View, O = Google Inc, CN = *.<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a><br>
                        verify return:1<br>
                        DONE
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                          <div class="m_-7637727070301945991h5"><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div
                              class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624moz-cite-prefix">On
                              05/13/2017 02:09 PM, Max Bond wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div dir="ltr">Sorry for the chat-style
                                messages, but as a last note, I know you
                                tried changing your DNS settings, those
                                last tests are meant to check for your
                                ISP rewriting DNS responses. It's been
                                known to happen.<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13,
                                  2017 at 2:07 PM, Max Bond <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:max.o.bond@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">max.o.bond@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                    style="margin:0 0 0
                                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                    solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div dir="ltr">(Obviously NXDomain
                                      hijacking wouldn't cause the
                                      problems you're experiencing,
                                      that's more meant to gauge
                                      CyberMesa's willingness to tamper
                                      with your traffic.)<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div
                                      class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624HOEnZb">
                                      <div
                                        class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624h5">
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:06
                                            PM, Max Bond <span
                                              dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:max.o.bond@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">max.o.bond@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote
                                              class="gmail_quote"
                                              style="margin:0 0 0
                                              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                              solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>Could you run a
                                                      couple of commands
                                                      to test for bad
                                                      behavior by your
                                                      ISP?<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div># Middleware
                                                      boxes? Won't
                                                      reveal clever
                                                      ones.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>traceroute <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                                                      > tr-dns.txt<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>traceroute
                                                      172.217.11.238
                                                      > tr-direct.txt<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      # NXDomain
                                                      hijacking?<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    dig any <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net" target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                                                    >
                                                    nxdomain-default.txt<br>
                                                    dig @<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://8.8.8.8" target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a> any <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net" target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                                                    >
                                                    nxdomain-google.txt<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                    # DNS MITM?<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>dig any <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a> >
                                                    dns-default.txt<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  dig @<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://8.8.8.8" target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a> any <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a> >
                                                  dns-google.txt<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>curl -IX HEAD <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a> >
                                                  http-dns.txt<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>curl -IX HEAD -H
                                                  "Host: <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>" 172.217.11.238
                                                  > http-direct.txt<br>
                                                  (echo -en "GET /
                                                  HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>\r\n\r\n";

                                                  sleep 5;) | openssl
                                                  s_client -connect <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://172.217.11.238:443" target="_blank">172.217.11.238:443</a>
                                                  > https-direct.txt<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div
class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624m_5540406043916551696HOEnZb">
                                                <div
class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624m_5540406043916551696h5">
                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">On
                                                      Sat, May 13, 2017
                                                      at 1:04 PM, Tim
                                                      Embler <span
                                                        dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:timlists@tristarcreations.com"
                                                          target="_blank">timlists@tristarcreations.com</a><wbr>></span>
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        class="gmail_quote"
                                                        style="margin:0
                                                        0 0
                                                        .8ex;border-left:1px
                                                        #ccc
                                                        solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                        <div
                                                          text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                                          <div
class="m_-7637727070301945991m_5656701184046438624m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-cite-prefix">yeah

                                                          I would have
                                                          thought the
                                                          restart would
                                                          have done it.
                                                          like you even
                                                          when the
                                                          browser can't
                                                          connect,
                                                          pinging it
                                                          still works
                                                          fine for me
                                                          too which is
                                                          why I ruled
                                                          out dns. I
                                                          have a feeling
                                                          you tried this
                                                          but have you
                                                          tried clearing
                                                          all of your <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                                                          cookies/cache?
                                                          That also
                                                          temporary
                                                          fixed the
                                                          issue for me
                                                          but I have log
                                                          back into
                                                          anything
                                                          google which
                                                          makes that a
                                                          pain. <br>
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                                                          On 5/13/17
                                                          1:00 PM, Brian
                                                          OKeefe wrote:<br>
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                                                          type="cite"> I
                                                          found many
                                                          people having
                                                          this
                                                          experience on
                                                          the forums but
                                                          the efforts
                                                          that I tried
                                                          which were
                                                          solutions for
                                                          them didn't
                                                          help me. Like
                                                          I wrote, no
                                                          browser that
                                                          is not in a VM
                                                          connects to <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>.
                                                          My ISP is
                                                          Cybermesa and
                                                          they tried to
                                                          help with DNS
                                                          settings but
                                                          that's all
                                                          fine and was
                                                          never an issue
                                                          before anyway.
                                                          I've tried
                                                          disabling all
                                                          add-ons for
                                                          Firefox and
                                                          that doesn't
                                                          make a
                                                          difference. A
                                                          restart, which
                                                          would kill all
                                                          instances of
                                                          all apps
                                                          doesn't help.<br>
                                                          There are many
                                                          "fixes" out
                                                          there. Just
                                                          none of them
                                                          fix my
                                                          problem, which
                                                          is essentially
                                                          identical to
                                                          what other
                                                          users, like
                                                          you,
                                                          experienced.
                                                          they solved
                                                          the issue. I
                                                          cannot.<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          05/13/2017
                                                          12:50 PM, Tim
                                                          Embler wrote:<br>
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                                                          this issue is
                                                          sad I am still
                                                          so happy to
                                                          see someone
                                                          else having
                                                          this issue and
                                                          it is not just
                                                          me. Like you I
                                                          have searched
                                                          everywhere and
                                                          have not been
                                                          able to find
                                                          anyone else
                                                          having this
                                                          issue. Are you
                                                          using
                                                          Chrome/Chromium?
                                                          I was using
                                                          Chromium at
                                                          first but when
                                                          the issue
                                                          started I
                                                          switched to
                                                          Chrome which
                                                          did also have
                                                          the same
                                                          problem. I
                                                          have not tried
                                                          using Firefox
                                                          for an
                                                          extended
                                                          amount of time
                                                          to see if that
                                                          also has this.
                                                          If I kill all
                                                          instances of
                                                          Chrome/Chromium
                                                          it will
                                                          connect to
                                                          google again
                                                          but after a
                                                          few hours the
                                                          issue comes
                                                          back where it
                                                          will not
                                                          search/connect
                                                          to <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>. You do have to
                                                          make sure you
                                                          kill all
                                                          instances of
                                                          chrome/chromium
                                                          for that
                                                          temporary fix
                                                          to work. On a
                                                          permanent fix
                                                          I have no idea
                                                          at this point.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 5/13/17
                                                          12:40 PM,
                                                          Brian OKeefe
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Hi all. Sorry
                                                          to have missed
                                                          meetings and
                                                          not been in
                                                          contact so
                                                          it's a bit
                                                          awkward asking
                                                          for help. But
                                                          I will!<br>
                                                          I'm running
                                                          Ubuntu 16.04
                                                          on an acer
                                                          laptop. Until
                                                          a few weeks
                                                          ago all things
                                                          google worked
                                                          fine and it
                                                          was my primary
                                                          search engine.
                                                          It started
                                                          slowing down
                                                          trying to
                                                          connect to <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>,
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                                          get the idea.
                                                          Eventually,
                                                          about 2 weeks
                                                          ago it just
                                                          stopped
                                                          connecting at
                                                          all. So:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I checked
                                                          every forum
                                                          and help page
                                                          I could find.
                                                          I changed DNS
                                                          servers to
                                                          open DNS,
                                                          googleDNS,
                                                          changed all
                                                          configuration
                                                          files to
                                                          reflect those
                                                          changes, many
                                                          command line
                                                          instructions
                                                          and on and on.
                                                          None of the
                                                          Solved marked
                                                          issues solved
                                                          my problem
                                                          even though
                                                          the symptoms
                                                          were the same.<br>
                                                          I run 2 VMs,
                                                          Ubuntu 16.10
                                                          and FreeBSD.
                                                          Both of those
                                                          machines can
                                                          use google as
                                                          normal. that
                                                          seems weird to
                                                          me.<br>
                                                          I can load
                                                          something like
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://groups.google.com" target="_blank">groups.google.com</a>
                                                          and then chose
                                                          apps like
                                                          gmail, drive,
                                                          photos and
                                                          several others
                                                          but not
                                                          calendar or
                                                          maps (which is
                                                          what I really
                                                          want). I can
                                                          use all those
                                                          apps on the
                                                          VMs though. <br>
                                                          In 16.04 no
                                                          browser loads
                                                          google. com<br>
                                                          I can ping <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                                                          with no packet
                                                          loss.<br>
                                                          I'm stumped.<br>
                                                          Help?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Brian<br>
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