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    thanks Max,<br>
    <br>
    Here's the terminal output:<br>
    <br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# traceroute google.com >
    tr-dns.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# traceroute 172.217.11.238 >
    tr-direct.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig any
    ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net > nxdomain-default.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8 any
    ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net > nxdomain-google.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# <br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# <br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8 any
    ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net > nxdomain-google.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig any google.com >
    dns-default.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8 any google.com >
    dns-google.txt<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# curl -IX HEAD google.com >
    http-dns.txt<br>
      % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time    
    Time  Current<br>
                                     Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
    Left  Speed<br>
      0   219    0     0    0     0      0      0 --:--:-- --:--:--
    --:--:--     0<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# curl -IX HEAD -H "Host: google.com"
    172.217.11.238 > http-direct.txt<br>
      % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time    
    Time  Current<br>
                                     Dload  Upload   Total   Spent   
    Left  Speed<br>
      0   219    0     0    0     0      0      0 --:--:-- --:--:--
    --:--:--     0<br>
    root@ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# (echo -en "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost:
    google.com\r\n\r\n"; sleep 5;) | openssl s_client -connect
    172.217.11.238:443 > https-direct.txt<br>
    depth=3 C = US, O = Equifax, OU = Equifax Secure Certificate
    Authority<br>
    verify return:1<br>
    depth=2 C = US, O = GeoTrust Inc., CN = GeoTrust Global CA<br>
    verify return:1<br>
    depth=1 C = US, O = Google Inc, CN = Google Internet Authority G2<br>
    verify return:1<br>
    depth=0 C = US, ST = California, L = Mountain View, O = Google Inc,
    CN = *.google.com<br>
    verify return:1<br>
    DONE<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/13/2017 02:09 PM, Max Bond wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKrUFkjxnpp6XQbCGFQw=wQtNuRJqOu2LcD+DfSif+5B=2mytw@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Sorry for the chat-style messages, but as a last
        note, I know you tried changing your DNS settings, those last
        tests are meant to check for your ISP rewriting DNS responses.
        It's been known to happen.<br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Max
          Bond <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:max.o.bond@gmail.com" target="_blank">max.o.bond@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">(Obviously NXDomain hijacking wouldn't cause
              the problems you're experiencing, that's more meant to
              gauge CyberMesa's willingness to tamper with your
              traffic.)<br>
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            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:06
                    PM, Max Bond <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:max.o.bond@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">max.o.bond@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">
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                            <div>Could you run a couple of commands to
                              test for bad behavior by your ISP?<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div># Middleware boxes? Won't reveal clever
                              ones.<br>
                            </div>
                            <div>traceroute <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                              > tr-dns.txt<br>
                            </div>
                            <div>traceroute 172.217.11.238 >
                              tr-direct.txt<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                              # NXDomain hijacking?<br>
                            </div>
                            dig any <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net"
                              target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                            > nxdomain-default.txt<br>
                            dig @<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://8.8.8.8" target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a>
                            any <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net"
                              target="_blank">ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe<wbr>.net</a>
                            > nxdomain-google.txt<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                            # DNS MITM?<br>
                          </div>
                          <div>dig any <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                            > dns-default.txt<br>
                          </div>
                          dig @<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://8.8.8.8" target="_blank">8.8.8.8</a>
                          any <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                          > dns-google.txt<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>curl -IX HEAD <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>
                          > http-dns.txt<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>curl -IX HEAD -H "Host: <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>"
                          172.217.11.238 > http-direct.txt<br>
                          (echo -en "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a>\r\n\r\n";
                          sleep 5;) | openssl s_client -connect <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://172.217.11.238:443"
                            target="_blank">172.217.11.238:443</a> >
                          https-direct.txt<br>
                          <br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 13,
                              2017 at 1:04 PM, Tim Embler <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:timlists@tristarcreations.com" target="_blank">timlists@tristarcreations.com</a><wbr>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div
class="m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-cite-prefix">yeah
                                    I would have thought the restart
                                    would have done it. like you even
                                    when the browser can't connect,
                                    pinging it still works fine for me
                                    too which is why I ruled out dns. I
                                    have a feeling you tried this but
                                    have you tried clearing all of your
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://google.com"
                                      target="_blank">google.com</a>
                                    cookies/cache? That also temporary
                                    fixed the issue for me but I have
                                    log back into anything google which
                                    makes that a pain. <br>
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                                        On 5/13/17 1:00 PM, Brian OKeefe
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                      <blockquote type="cite"> I found
                                        many people having this
                                        experience on the forums but the
                                        efforts that I tried which were
                                        solutions for them didn't help
                                        me. Like I wrote, no browser
                                        that is not in a VM connects to
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://google.com"
                                          target="_blank">google.com</a>.
                                        My ISP is Cybermesa and they
                                        tried to help with DNS settings
                                        but that's all fine and was
                                        never an issue before anyway.
                                        I've tried disabling all add-ons
                                        for Firefox and that doesn't
                                        make a difference. A restart,
                                        which would kill all instances
                                        of all apps doesn't help.<br>
                                        There are many "fixes" out
                                        there. Just none of them fix my
                                        problem, which is essentially
                                        identical to what other users,
                                        like you, experienced. they
                                        solved the issue. I cannot.<br>
                                        <br>
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class="m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-cite-prefix">On
                                          05/13/2017 12:50 PM, Tim
                                          Embler wrote:<br>
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                                          <div
class="m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-cite-prefix">While
                                            this issue is sad I am still
                                            so happy to see someone else
                                            having this issue and it is
                                            not just me. Like you I have
                                            searched everywhere and have
                                            not been able to find anyone
                                            else having this issue. Are
                                            you using Chrome/Chromium? I
                                            was using Chromium at first
                                            but when the issue started I
                                            switched to Chrome which did
                                            also have the same problem.
                                            I have not tried using
                                            Firefox for an extended
                                            amount of time to see if
                                            that also has this. If I
                                            kill all instances of
                                            Chrome/Chromium it will
                                            connect to google again but
                                            after a few hours the issue
                                            comes back where it will not
                                            search/connect to <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://google.com"
                                              target="_blank">google.com</a>.
                                            You do have to make sure you
                                            kill all instances of
                                            chrome/chromium for that
                                            temporary fix to work. On a
                                            permanent fix I have no idea
                                            at this point.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            On 5/13/17 12:40 PM, Brian
                                            OKeefe wrote:<br>
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                                          <blockquote type="cite"> Hi
                                            all. Sorry to have missed
                                            meetings and not been in
                                            contact so it's a bit
                                            awkward asking for help. But
                                            I will!<br>
                                            I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on
                                            an acer laptop. Until a few
                                            weeks ago all things google
                                            worked fine and it was my
                                            primary search engine. It
                                            started slowing down trying
                                            to connect to <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://google.com"
                                              target="_blank">google.com</a>,
                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.google.com" target="_blank">www.google.com</a>, <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5540406043916551696m_471871676259125711m_6559855648087661667moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.google....you" target="_blank">http://www.google....you</a>
                                            get the idea. Eventually,
                                            about 2 weeks ago it just
                                            stopped connecting at all.
                                            So:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I checked every forum and
                                            help page I could find. I
                                            changed DNS servers to open
                                            DNS, googleDNS, changed all
                                            configuration files to
                                            reflect those changes, many
                                            command line instructions
                                            and on and on. None of the
                                            Solved marked issues solved
                                            my problem even though the
                                            symptoms were the same.<br>
                                            I run 2 VMs, Ubuntu 16.10
                                            and FreeBSD. Both of those
                                            machines can use google as
                                            normal. that seems weird to
                                            me.<br>
                                            I can load something like <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://groups.google.com"
                                              target="_blank">groups.google.com</a>
                                            and then chose apps like
                                            gmail, drive, photos and
                                            several others but not
                                            calendar or maps (which is
                                            what I really want). I can
                                            use all those apps on the
                                            VMs though. <br>
                                            In 16.04 no browser loads
                                            google. com<br>
                                            I can ping <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://google.com"
                                              target="_blank">google.com</a>
                                            with no packet loss.<br>
                                            I'm stumped.<br>
                                            Help?<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Thanks<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Brian<br>
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