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<p>Hope everyone is well. Check hardware support with the new
kernel before upgrading. I hosed my primary DE because the 5.x
kernel does not yet support the USB 3 cards I have in my tower,
which forced me to run Bullseye with the old kernel ...</p>
<p>Various other things are/were still broken:</p>
<p>1) flatpaks do not work for the two paks I need yet, Telegram and
Jitsi, the latter of which is work important</p>
<p>2) A common file browser from the trisquel project which i used
for years and still fully maintained, called caja, is broken / in
an incomplete state which I found surprisingly debilitating for
common use tasks</p>
<p>3) overall, seemed rushed and early compared to Buster ...
slowness, flickering, a few other rarely used apps also not
functioning, etc.</p>
<p>4) I did not even bother to test real stuff like running pspp
models or matlab, etc., but suspect it would be wonky too ...<br>
</p>
<p>So, I decided to nuke it and wait for Bullseye to mature a few
months and downgraded my primary desktop.<br>
</p>
<p>On the laptop, the installation was atrociously long, required
multiple dpkg commands for failed setup/installs, and after
finally installing everything and getting rid of all errors from
the upgrade with dpkg --configure -a sudo apt autoremove and then
a final sudo apt full-upgrade, it just runs particularly slow (log
in to DE is nearly 2 mins long instead of 10 seconds), the fan
runs regularly during common tasks, apps take noticeably long to
open compared to before .... and I am sure I will find more broken
stuff later.</p>
<p>I will keep Bullseye on the laptop for now and hope an
update/upgrade cleans it up, if not, not sure - might downgrade it
too ...<br>
</p>
<p>FINAL REPORT:</p>
<p>Only bleeding edge early birds should migrate imho, the rest of
the folk may want to wait 4 months or so ... I can't imagine the
problems with more serious / production environments. Bullseye
won't be coming anywhere near my server for some time (6 months? I
think), I can assure you of that ... semester starting, etc., no
time to be messing with that given how bad these were in general
and compared to how stretch to buster was (nearly flawless).<br>
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<p>If anyone wants to meet in person tonight, DM me on Signal ...
invite in signature.<br>
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<p>Jonathan Haack<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/21 2:45 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">NMGLUGers, I
just added a post to our "Latest" blog, giving a few more
details about Debian11/Bullseye. I am very happy with the
upgrade. I plan to be at our virtual meeting on Thursday. I
hope all are well and keeping busy. Thank you, Ted P</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:47
PM Ted Pomeroy <<a href="mailto:ted.pome@gmail.com"
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">NMGLUGers
and Leroy, Right. Printing. The release notes indicate
progress on printing without the need for proprietary
firmware for particular printers. I have long preferred HP
printers as HP was much more forthcoming with firmware.
The section (for AMD64 architecture) on printing is <a
href="https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#driverless-operation"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Here. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The goal
of driverless printing and better interoperability seems
to have been reached. This is covered in the "What's New"
section and I believe is similar across all architectures.
I don't print too often and I do not have any problematic
printers or scanners, so I cannot give any firsthand
report on this. Still, the progress is good news and I
hope somebody will be able to give us a report sometime
this year. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Anyway I
remain very happy with the upgrade and first steps with
Bullseye.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Thank
you, Ted P<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at
11:10 AM Ted Pomeroy <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">ted.pome@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">NMGLUGers,
in answering Leroy:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"> I am
just now reading the release notes thoroughly. In the
main my Xfce desktop is the same, with new artwork, an
empty "Favorites" section of the app menu that I am
adding to, and some settings set to the new defaults
that I am re-tweaking. I have purged 'quodlibet' and
'exfalso' and installed 'audacious' and
'streamtuner2': this to get music streams from the
Internet. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Importantly
there is a syntax change in the Debian security line
in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is explained in the
release notes on the Debian wiki <a
href="https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/armel/release-notes/ch-information.en.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">website</a>,
and is due to apt syntax symbols. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">As I
have only had two days to explore and use the 32 bit
laptop I cannot give a wider view just yet. I did find
that there are some special versions of the installer
and some unofficial versions include some firmware
blobs for hardware not covered by free drivers. I had
decided to give up on 32-bit computing, but as Debian
supports it, I will do some more exploring on this.
However, I have an even older laptop running Buster
and since there is about a year of support I will let
it be and discard it or pass it on at the end of a
year if not sooner. The slowness of these machines and
lack ability to play streaming video makes them subpar
for even an average user.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Still
it is fun to explore and I am happy with the upgrade
so far. Thank you, Ted P</div>
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at 9:44 AM Leroy Lints <<a
href="mailto:dr.leroybrown@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dr.leroybrown@gmail.com</a>>
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Ted,<br>
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What are the changes to printing that you found? I am
curious.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Leroy<br>
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On Mon, 2021-08-16 at 10:53 -0600, Ted Pomeroy wrote:<br>
> NMGLUGers, Bullseye is Debian 11. It was released
last week and I<br>
> have already had a chance to upgrade a 32 bit
machine and it runs<br>
> well. The laptop is circa 2010 with an Atom
processor. Of course it<br>
> is a bit slow, but that is not surprising. Kernel
5.10 is working<br>
> well with this older laptop. <br>
> I have begun to read the release notes and will
study them some more.<br>
> There are changes to printing which sound
interesting, and some<br>
> comments about the systemd logs and journals. I
will have some more<br>
> time before our virtual meeting this Thursday to
test the new<br>
> software and make some changes in my selection of
applications for<br>
> various tasks. <br>
> Thank you, Ted P<br>
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