[nmglug] nmglug Albuquerque subset?
Mark “TheMechanicalMan” Waid
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Tue May 16 19:55:28 PDT 2017
I think UNM would be best if possible. The students there could benefit, and they have nice facilities. I would also be willing to help with some rides for anyone near me or on the way. I'm near San Mateo and Montgomery if anyone is in need.
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> 1. Re: nmglug Albuquerque subset? (Tom Ashcraft)
> 2. Re: No google search (Andres Paglayan)
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 15:53:22 -0600
> From: Tom Ashcraft <trailerdog234 at comcast.net>
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> Computer Labs--City of Albuquerque:
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>>> On 05/16/2017 03:39 AM, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
>>> Tom Ashcraft writes:
>>> It happens that I used to spend a lot of time in Manzano Mesa Multi
>>> Generational Center for the inexpensive gym facilities. There used to be
>>> and I believe there still is a pretty nicely appointed computer lab in
>>> there, as well as other suitable and spacious meeting rooms. I'm pretty
>>> sure reservations can be made there for nominal or non-existent fees.
>>> Likely the other community centers around town also offer appropriate
>>> facilities, though MMMGC is the only one I have any direct knowledge of
>>> as for me it was reasonable to bicycle to.
>> My thoughts on locations...
>>
>> Manzano Mesa would be a great location. It's a very nice facility,
>> close to Central Avenue (public transportation) and I-40. Like Tom,
>> I can bike there easily (and do, often). Has city wifi which in my
>> experience is satisfactory.
>>
>> Quelab might be a good facility (I've never visited). It has poor bus
>> service, though, and I can't bike there easily. At least it's close to
>> the Big I. Membership is $20/mo, looks like.
>>
>> UNM surely has some appropriate facility somewhere. It would be nice to
>> try to attract some students from there; I wasn't aware of any Unix
>> clubs during my time as a student (fairly recently). It has excellent
>> bus service, but people with cars will have a hard time finding parking.
>> Network connectivity for non-students is a problem that would need solving.
>>
>> There are other possibilities in the more startup-y parts downtown, like
>> Fatpipe or the Verge building, maybe...
>>
>> As was said earlier, no location will be perfect for everyone. I have to
>> say I find the Manzano Mesa community center the most attractive.
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 20:19:42 -0600
> From: Andres Paglayan <andres at paglayan.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nmglug] No google search
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> officially weird then
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>> On 05/16/2017 08:22 AM, Brian OKeefe wrote:
>> Hi Andres and all,
>> Here at Iconik connected to the network so all I have is the same result.
>>
>>> On 05/15/2017 01:33 PM, Andres Paglayan wrote:
>>>
>>> what happens if you create another user account in the same machine
>>> and try from there?
>>>
>>> have you tried connecting form another network, like wifi from a coffee?
>> No difference
>>>
>>> have you installed any recent extension?
>>>
>>> did you create any nftables / iptables rules?
>>>
>>> for diagnosis only, what happens if you include one of google's ips
>>> on the hosts file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 05/14/2017 09:00 PM, Brian OKeefe wrote:
>>>> Another bit of info but how useful? I have DraftLogic distance
>>>> calculator I use in firefox. It uses google maps and layers on that.
>>>> Google maps load for that site but not as maps.google.com. Here's
>>>> DraftLogic:https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-advanced-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm.
>>>> Anybody know other sites that use google maps I could try?
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/14/2017 01:21 PM, Max Bond wrote:
>>>>> Could you bring it to the next session? I have a couple ideas, but
>>>>> they're not very friendly to remote debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Brian OKeefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com
>>>>> <mailto:okeefe at cybermesa.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also no google earth. App loads but can't search but can zoom
>>>>> in, rotate, etc.
>>>>> Thanks for helping!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 07:16 PM, Max Bond wrote:
>>>>>> That is very strange. Does anyone have a hypothesis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Brian OKeefe
>>>>>> <okeefe at cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe at cybermesa.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firefox 53.0.2, tried Chrome, Chromium, Pale Moon, all
>>>>>> latest from updates
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 05:02 PM, Max Bond wrote:
>>>>>>> What I can conclude for the information that was in the
>>>>>>> email is that you are able to reach https://google.com
>>>>>>> from the terminal. Since you said you weren't able to do
>>>>>>> this from the browser, that suggests you were correct &
>>>>>>> that the issue is with your browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you tell us precisely which browser you're using &
>>>>>>> what version? You mentioned using Firefox; have you tried
>>>>>>> from Chromium?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Max Bond
>>>>>>> <max.o.bond at gmail.com <mailto:max.o.bond at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pardon me for not explaining better, but those
>>>>>>> commands created a series of .txt files (tr-dns.txt,
>>>>>>> tr-direct.txt, etc) which have the relevant
>>>>>>> information inside them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you attach those files? The names are at the
>>>>>>> end of every line, after the ">".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Brian OKeefe
>>>>>>> <okeefe at cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe at cybermesa.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks Max,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the terminal output:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# traceroute
>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com> > tr-dns.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# traceroute
>>>>>>> 172.217.11.238 > tr-direct.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig any
>>>>>>> ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net
>>>>>>> <http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net> >
>>>>>>> nxdomain-default.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8
>>>>>>> <http://8.8.8.8> any
>>>>>>> ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net
>>>>>>> <http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net> >
>>>>>>> nxdomain-google.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu#
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu#
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8
>>>>>>> <http://8.8.8.8> any
>>>>>>> ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net
>>>>>>> <http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net> >
>>>>>>> nxdomain-google.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig any
>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com> > dns-default.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# dig @8.8.8.8
>>>>>>> <http://8.8.8.8> any google.com
>>>>>>> <http://google.com> > dns-google.txt
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# curl -IX HEAD
>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com> > http-dns.txt
>>>>>>> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed
>>>>>>> Time Time Time Current
>>>>>>> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
>>>>>>> 0 219 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:--
>>>>>>> --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# curl -IX HEAD -H
>>>>>>> "Host: google.com <http://google.com>"
>>>>>>> 172.217.11.238 > http-direct.txt
>>>>>>> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed
>>>>>>> Time Time Time Current
>>>>>>> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
>>>>>>> 0 219 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:--
>>>>>>> --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
>>>>>>> root at ubuntu-laptop:/home/ubuntu# (echo -en "GET /
>>>>>>> HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: google.com
>>>>>>> <http://google.com>\r\n\r\n"; sleep 5;) | openssl
>>>>>>> s_client -connect 172.217.11.238:443
>>>>>>> <http://172.217.11.238:443> > https-direct.txt
>>>>>>> depth=3 C = US, O = Equifax, OU = Equifax Secure
>>>>>>> Certificate Authority
>>>>>>> verify return:1
>>>>>>> depth=2 C = US, O = GeoTrust Inc., CN = GeoTrust
>>>>>>> Global CA
>>>>>>> verify return:1
>>>>>>> depth=1 C = US, O = Google Inc, CN = Google
>>>>>>> Internet Authority G2
>>>>>>> verify return:1
>>>>>>> depth=0 C = US, ST = California, L = Mountain
>>>>>>> View, O = Google Inc, CN = *.google.com
>>>>>>> <http://google.com>
>>>>>>> verify return:1
>>>>>>> DONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 02:09 PM, Max Bond wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the chat-style messages, but as a last
>>>>>>>> note, I know you tried changing your DNS
>>>>>>>> settings, those last tests are meant to check
>>>>>>>> for your ISP rewriting DNS responses. It's been
>>>>>>>> known to happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Max Bond
>>>>>>>> <max.o.bond at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:max.o.bond at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Obviously NXDomain hijacking wouldn't cause
>>>>>>>> the problems you're experiencing, that's
>>>>>>>> more meant to gauge CyberMesa's willingness
>>>>>>>> to tamper with your traffic.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Max Bond
>>>>>>>> <max.o.bond at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:max.o.bond at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you run a couple of commands to
>>>>>>>> test for bad behavior by your ISP?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # Middleware boxes? Won't reveal clever
>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>> traceroute google.com
>>>>>>>> <http://google.com> > tr-dns.txt
>>>>>>>> traceroute 172.217.11.238 > tr-direct.txt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # NXDomain hijacking?
>>>>>>>> dig any
>>>>>>>> ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net
>>>>>>>> <http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net>
>>>>>>>>> nxdomain-default.txt
>>>>>>>> dig @8.8.8.8 <http://8.8.8.8> any
>>>>>>>> ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net
>>>>>>>> <http://ghkdsjfsdfldsfmensdfosdfsdfnwe.net>
>>>>>>>>> nxdomain-google.txt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # DNS MITM?
>>>>>>>> dig any google.com <http://google.com> >
>>>>>>>> dns-default.txt
>>>>>>>> dig @8.8.8.8 <http://8.8.8.8> any
>>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com> >
>>>>>>>> dns-google.txt
>>>>>>>> curl -IX HEAD google.com
>>>>>>>> <http://google.com> > http-dns.txt
>>>>>>>> curl -IX HEAD -H "Host: google.com
>>>>>>>> <http://google.com>" 172.217.11.238 >
>>>>>>>> http-direct.txt
>>>>>>>> (echo -en "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost:
>>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com>\r\n\r\n";
>>>>>>>> sleep 5;) | openssl s_client -connect
>>>>>>>> 172.217.11.238:443
>>>>>>>> <http://172.217.11.238:443> >
>>>>>>>> https-direct.txt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Tim
>>>>>>>> Embler <timlists at tristarcreations.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:timlists at tristarcreations.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yeah I would have thought the
>>>>>>>> restart would have done it. like you
>>>>>>>> even when the browser can't connect,
>>>>>>>> pinging it still works fine for me
>>>>>>>> too which is why I ruled out dns. I
>>>>>>>> have a feeling you tried this but
>>>>>>>> have you tried clearing all of your
>>>>>>>> google.com <http://google.com>
>>>>>>>> cookies/cache? That also temporary
>>>>>>>> fixed the issue for me but I have
>>>>>>>> log back into anything google which
>>>>>>>> makes that a pain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/17 1:00 PM, Brian OKeefe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I found many people having this
>>>>>>>>> experience on the forums but the
>>>>>>>>> efforts that I tried which were
>>>>>>>>> solutions for them didn't help me.
>>>>>>>>> Like I wrote, no browser that is
>>>>>>>>> not in a VM connects to google.com
>>>>>>>>> <http://google.com>. My ISP is
>>>>>>>>> Cybermesa and they tried to help
>>>>>>>>> with DNS settings but that's all
>>>>>>>>> fine and was never an issue before
>>>>>>>>> anyway. I've tried disabling all
>>>>>>>>> add-ons for Firefox and that
>>>>>>>>> doesn't make a difference. A
>>>>>>>>> restart, which would kill all
>>>>>>>>> instances of all apps doesn't help.
>>>>>>>>> There are many "fixes" out there.
>>>>>>>>> Just none of them fix my problem,
>>>>>>>>> which is essentially identical to
>>>>>>>>> what other users, like you,
>>>>>>>>> experienced. they solved the issue.
>>>>>>>>> I cannot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 12:50 PM, Tim Embler
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> While this issue is sad I am still
>>>>>>>>>> so happy to see someone else
>>>>>>>>>> having this issue and it is not
>>>>>>>>>> just me. Like you I have searched
>>>>>>>>>> everywhere and have not been able
>>>>>>>>>> to find anyone else having this
>>>>>>>>>> issue. Are you using
>>>>>>>>>> Chrome/Chromium? I was using
>>>>>>>>>> Chromium at first but when the
>>>>>>>>>> issue started I switched to Chrome
>>>>>>>>>> which did also have the same
>>>>>>>>>> problem. I have not tried using
>>>>>>>>>> Firefox for an extended amount of
>>>>>>>>>> time to see if that also has this.
>>>>>>>>>> If I kill all instances of
>>>>>>>>>> Chrome/Chromium it will connect to
>>>>>>>>>> google again but after a few hours
>>>>>>>>>> the issue comes back where it will
>>>>>>>>>> not search/connect to google.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://google.com>. You do have
>>>>>>>>>> to make sure you kill all
>>>>>>>>>> instances of chrome/chromium for
>>>>>>>>>> that temporary fix to work. On a
>>>>>>>>>> permanent fix I have no idea at
>>>>>>>>>> this point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/17 12:40 PM, Brian OKeefe
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all. Sorry to have missed
>>>>>>>>>>> meetings and not been in contact
>>>>>>>>>>> so it's a bit awkward asking for
>>>>>>>>>>> help. But I will!
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on an
>>>>>>>>>>> acer laptop. Until a few weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> ago all things google worked fine
>>>>>>>>>>> and it was my primary search
>>>>>>>>>>> engine. It started slowing down
>>>>>>>>>>> trying to connect to google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://google.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> www.google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google....you get the
>>>>>>>>>>> idea. Eventually, about 2 weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> ago it just stopped connecting at
>>>>>>>>>>> all. So:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I checked every forum and help
>>>>>>>>>>> page I could find. I changed DNS
>>>>>>>>>>> servers to open DNS, googleDNS,
>>>>>>>>>>> changed all configuration files
>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect those changes, many
>>>>>>>>>>> command line instructions and on
>>>>>>>>>>> and on. None of the Solved marked
>>>>>>>>>>> issues solved my problem even
>>>>>>>>>>> though the symptoms were the same.
>>>>>>>>>>> I run 2 VMs, Ubuntu 16.10 and
>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD. Both of those machines
>>>>>>>>>>> can use google as normal. that
>>>>>>>>>>> seems weird to me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can load something like
>>>>>>>>>>> groups.google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com> and
>>>>>>>>>>> then chose apps like gmail,
>>>>>>>>>>> drive, photos and several others
>>>>>>>>>>> but not calendar or maps (which
>>>>>>>>>>> is what I really want). I can use
>>>>>>>>>>> all those apps on the VMs though.
>>>>>>>>>>> In 16.04 no browser loads google. com
>>>>>>>>>>> I can ping google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://google.com> with no
>>>>>>>>>>> packet loss.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stumped.
>>>>>>>>>>> Help?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brian
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