[nmglug] Meeting this week;

Tue May 22 11:28:38 PDT 2018

Thanks Ted. I know to well the importance of backing up and I used to 
use SpiderOak, an online backup service. Then I went to me trying to be 
disciplined but that went by the wayside.  I never imagined (who does 
until it's too late?) that a prompted upgrade would delete and recreate 
files all by itself plus bork my OS into unworkability? I'd done 
upgrades (just package, not OS, though I did those for every LTR release 
too and sometimes with major fixes needed but I always succeeded) 
forever and never had anything like this or anything at all happen. 
Other than losing my data (and regaining some I didn't want) I would 
have an interest in why this happened but I'll guess that's pretty 
pointless even for a learning experience.

Thanks for offering to wait and perhaps someone can give me a lift. My 
wife wants me to watch her singing group so I'd catch 15 min. or so.

Brian

On 05/22/2018 09:56 AM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:.
> Hi Brian, I look forward to seeing you. I can wait with you and if the
> weather is nice it should be no problem, as I don't drive I cannot
> offer a ride, but others might as Early St. is so close by our
> meeting.
> By the way a Backup is a copy of the files you don't want to lose. So
> if you are trying to recover music and miscellany, you had files that
> might have been copied to a backup drive and verified safe before
> upgrade. You can be bold about this, but one is always warned that a
> good backup will save you time in the long run.
> A fresh install is always a good way to move forward. It's a new
> environment adjusted to the changes in computing and the Internet,
> ready to improve the computing experience. By the way I will bring the
> release notes from 16.04 as an example of known changes and problems
> with a new release.
> Thank you, Ted P.
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Brian O'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com> wrote:
>> I look forward to mtg. too Ted. Getting there at 5:30 is no problem but I
>> wouldn't get picked up until 7:40 or so, so I'm not sure that will work. If
>> it's nice I can wait outside. My wife's thing is on Early street if someone
>> could give me a lift there that would be most welcome.
>>
>> Don't worry about engaging in my fiasco but I have learned a lesson, though
>> I don't know how I'll resolve it and getting back to a simpler OS set-up as
>> you describe and still have at least the most important apps that I use thru
>> Wine or otherwise. And what's this about backups? We don't need no stinking
>> backups! (Hah). I know that the rsync was supposed to create a snapshot of
>> my system and all in it. I know that you're not dealing with this sort of
>> thing but it's good info none the less. It seems that the update not only
>> deleted folders it resurrected some back into my OS and they pop up in my
>> file browser after I had deleted them! I wonder what went on with that
>> update. what a scramble.
>>
>> Anyway, if I can make it perhaps someone can at least be amused!
>>
>> I'll try to make it, we'll see.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2018 08:16 AM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
>>> Brian, I look forward to meeting you. I arrive at the Baking Co. at
>>> about 5pm, meeting officially starts at 5:30. It runs till 7pm when
>>> the cafe closes.  Several members adjourn to the Second St. brewery on
>>> 2nd St., I usually pass on that and go home. I will not comment on the
>>> listing you have of things to reveal and repair.  I choose to make my
>>> computing simpler and move on to making things work adequately; then
>>> carefully save my own files, yielding to progress the OS and
>>> applications. The higher level administrators at our meeting will
>>> likely be able to comment and assist you.
>>> See you Thursday.
>>> Thank you, Ted P.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Brian O'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Ted. What time at Baking Co.? I may try to get there if I can get
>>>> a
>>>> lift from my wife who has a similar time slot when she's out, 6-7:30. I'm
>>>> still dealing with my OS breakdown and have done a few things. Briefly, I
>>>> cloned my SSD to a new SSD and then analysed it with TestDisk (comes with
>>>> Parted Magic and is a bootable CD). Found a ton of deleted folders that
>>>> disappeared when I did the update as per the urging of Update Manager and
>>>> toasted my 1.04 OS. TestDisk shows all the file structure in a partition,
>>>> my
>>>> Linux primary, both existing and the deleted folders that it can find. I
>>>> had
>>>> lost a major folder I named "Miscellany" (lots of important files over
>>>> the
>>>> years) and it shows up but has no files. My Music folder also shows up as
>>>> not deleted but has no content either. There are hundreds of deleted
>>>> files,
>>>> of course as they haven't yet been overwritten (or they wouldn't show
>>>> up).
>>>> So I've lost at least the content of 2 major folders or the folder itself
>>>> and apparently many others since I can't run Ubuntu Desktop. Which are
>>>> what
>>>> I can't begin to know and trying to restore them all so that Ubuntu 16.04
>>>> works again would be difficult beyond measure! TestDisk is a pretty
>>>> amazing
>>>> tool and I could show it off. It gives one the chance to recover those
>>>> deleted folders and copy and then restore them. I have so many deleted
>>>> files
>>>> that I have no idea how I would ever determine which are ones I want/need
>>>> to
>>>> add to a new 18.04 install. I also want to migrate all of my browser,
>>>> email,
>>>> etc. from my hacked firefox and thunderbird (had to to get them to work
>>>> with
>>>> my address books, bookmarks, etc. that the newest versions don't see for
>>>> some reason). If I can make it I can bring the Parted Magic disk, my new
>>>> USB
>>>> 1TB drive that has my cloned SSD on it. The rsync that you helped me with
>>>> Mark, is not bootable nor readable with test disk except with Parted
>>>> Magic
>>>> file browser (no deleted folders or files though as only TestDisk does
>>>> that)
>>>> and not from my current ldxe desktop file browser. It shows up as a
>>>> bootable
>>>> image but I get a grub error and a rescue prompt, with which I know not
>>>> what
>>>> to do. So a long story and I'm not even sure i can manage the meeting but
>>>> I'd like to try.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/21/2018 06:02 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
>>>>> NMGLugers, We meet again this week and if we see the same group we can
>>>>> follow up on several in-process repairs to software and installation.
>>>>> There might be a chance to "tweak" a new install to get the most
>>>>> appropriate software for a new user. We can look at upgrade issues for
>>>>> Ubuntu, and I have an 18.04 Live/Install usb to show off.  I did some
>>>>> reading and at one place it said the Upgrade of older systems is
>>>>> applied at the xx.04.1 level, that is in the first numbered release
>>>>> after the initial release. July 1st is the time these have appeared in
>>>>> the past, give or take some leeway.
>>>>> Anybody can write to the list and add comments or issues to address at
>>>>> the meeting on Thursday.
>>>>> Thank you, Ted P.
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