[nmglug] Linux kernel 3.0

Sat Jan 28 14:04:48 PST 2012

Don't get me started on Java (I miss Sun...) :) I know were you stand
though, I develop web apps and now I am thinking about buying a separate
machine to run a LAMP stack (probably with Ubuntu server :) ). That way I
won't have all those 'special' settings to deal with either...at least not
as many. It takes me several days to get my workstation to where I need it
after a fresh install.

The Mint 2d desktop is still pretty nice too, also speaking of Java...Mint
goes straight for Oracle Java and skirts around OpenJDK...although I hope
OpenJDK keeps it up too (more like 'don't get me started on Oracle'). Also,
I am the type who is a 'tech junky' enabler, so I'm always encouraging
people to buy new hardware :) I just got a totally powerful laptop for
$329. I needed a Win machine (gross), but it's a great piece of hardware
for the money. Unfortunately you don't have Micro Center in NM (I came back
to Ohio in July)...but when shopping I noticed that walmart was almost
right in line with prices vs. hardware.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:31 PM, BrianO'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com> wrote:

> **
> Good rant! There are a couple of issues with me moving to either Unity or
> Gnome 3 but the biggest is I don't have 3D acceleration with my chipset.
> I've explored it a bit and though it is apparently "disabled" I also can't
> enable it and apparently it isn't possible. So that is a major issue and a
> deal breaker as I would have to use Unity 2D which doesn't seem to work
> well at all.
> I have installed so many apps with dpkg and am running many Java and
> python apps so just putting my /home directory on a separate partition
> doesn't solve the issue either. I've got major customization too that has
> made my laptop a good fit for me so....
> I could buy another, better laptop that is 64 bit and probably just switch
> the HD for what I have or clone my current to the new one but I really hate
> that Ubuntu's decisions are forcing me to these sorts of choices.
>
> On 01/28/2012 02:10 PM, Rob Haag wrote:
>
> I think we are kind of in a transition period here (again)... Ubuntu, for
> me, was getting to be too much work to make it what I want. They turned off
> so many things, ctrl-alt-backspace being one of the first. I really hate
> the Unity menu, although it is much like Gnome-shell...which I really
> like.
>
>  I had to just ditch Ubuntu, going to Mint for me is a
> good transition stage as it's based on Ubuntu...I will probably end up at
> Debian or maybe go way out to Arch. I may even have to completely switch to
> Fedora, or CentOS. I guess my point for switching is that I want to run
> Linux, and not a distro that is competing with another OS. At the same time
> I'm really rooting for Ubuntu (and others) to keep it up, because they have
> come quite far in taking a piece of the desktop OS market and has really
> helped to put Linux on the map as a viable desktop OS.
>
>  To answer your question (with my opinion)..I think the Mint and Cinnamon
> desktops have staying power. Actually they are just schema and extensions
> for Gnome 3 (AFAIK), but Mint has been around for quite a while now and
> they don't seem to be going anywhere. Plus the Mint/Cinnamon are going to
> be carried on by others in some form/name. If you have the hardware (mostly
> a good video card supporting 3d/2d acceleration) then give gnome3 a shot
> (live-cd will tell, virtual machine...not so much without a lot of fuss
> because of 3d accel, etc.). The Mint distro has a couple gnome-shell
> extensions that help bring it back to what we were used to in gnome-2...but
> with all the new features of gnome-3. They did a great job if you ask me.
>
>  Here is my advice, to myself and all of us who are being 'put out' by
> these changes. Move our /home folder to a separate partition, and be ready
> to re-install whenever we feel like it :)
>
>  On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM, BrianO'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com>wrote:
>
>>  I understand the upgrade distinction and my issue is that unless I
>> upgrade my distro I will get left behind in support and the kernel as more
>> apps, etc. are tailored to the newer versions of packages. It seems though
>> that there are efforts to mitigate the Unity debacle with Mint and Cinnamon
>> desktops but will they have staying power and will Ubuntu get it's act
>> together and hear our screams?
>>
>>
>> On 01/24/2012 10:45 AM, Jason Schaefer wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:44 PM, BrianO'Keefe <okeefe at cybermesa.com> <okeefe at cybermesa.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks Rob,
>>
>> I have run apt-get update but have read that your suggestion does a partial
>> upgrade and that can cause issues. Is that correct? I'll do some more
>>
>>  Hi Brian
>> I've lost touch with the ubuntu releases but I think that your version
>> of 10.10 doesn't have gnome unity. If you do a dist-upgrade it will
>> only upgrade the 10.10 distribution and not bring in anything outside
>> of it. As Rob pointed out, it won't upgrade your distribution to 11.10
>> (or whichever) UNLESS you change your /etc/apt/sources.list or
>> equivalent to include a newer distribution. Perhaps the "dist" in
>> dist-upgrade is misleading... dist-upgrade is the appropriate way to
>> do a "full" upgrade either standing in your current distro or to a new
>> one.
>> If you want to be more conservative you could use "apt-get upgrade".
>> This is less aggressive in its updates and will not add or remove
>> packages to facilitate a full upgrade.
>> Also, "apt-get update" doesn't actually update packages, it only tells
>> the system the latest updates available from the /etc/apt/* repository
>> lists.
>>  If you are worried, go ahead and send us the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade".
>> Jason
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