[nmglug] Bullseye;

Jonathan Haack jonathan at jonathanhaack.com
Thu Aug 19 13:54:26 PDT 2021

Hope everyone is well.  Check hardware support with the new kernel 
before upgrading.  I hosed my primary DE because the 5.x kernel does not 
yet support the USB 3 cards I have in my tower, which forced me to run 
Bullseye with the old kernel ...

Various other things are/were still broken:

1) flatpaks do not work for the two paks I need yet, Telegram and Jitsi, 
the latter of which is work important

2) A common file browser from the trisquel project which i used for 
years and still fully maintained, called caja, is broken / in an 
incomplete state which I found surprisingly debilitating for common use 

3) overall, seemed rushed and early compared to Buster ... slowness, 
flickering, a few other rarely used apps also not functioning, etc.

4) I did not even bother to test real stuff like running pspp models or 
matlab, etc., but suspect it would be wonky too ...

So, I decided to nuke it and wait for Bullseye to mature a few months 
and downgraded my primary desktop.

On the laptop, the installation was atrociously long, required multiple 
dpkg commands for failed setup/installs, and after finally installing 
everything and getting rid of all errors from the upgrade with dpkg 
--configure -a sudo apt autoremove and then a final sudo apt 
full-upgrade, it just runs particularly slow (log in to DE is nearly 2 
mins long instead of 10 seconds), the fan runs regularly during common 
tasks, apps take noticeably long to open compared to before .... and I 
am sure I will find more broken stuff later.

I will keep Bullseye on the laptop for now and hope an update/upgrade 
cleans it up, if not, not sure - might downgrade it too ...


Only bleeding edge early birds should migrate imho, the rest of the folk 
may want to wait 4 months or so ... I can't imagine the problems with 
more serious / production environments.  Bullseye won't be coming 
anywhere near my server for some time (6 months? I think), I can assure 
you of that ... semester starting, etc., no time to be messing with that 
given how bad these were in general and compared to how stretch to 
buster was (nearly flawless).

If anyone wants to meet in person tonight, DM me on Signal ... invite in 

Jonathan Haack

On 8/18/21 2:45 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
> NMGLUGers, I just added a post to our "Latest" blog, giving a few more 
> details about Debian11/Bullseye. I am very happy with the upgrade. I 
> plan to be at our virtual meeting on Thursday. I hope all are well and 
> keeping busy. Thank you, Ted P
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:47 PM Ted Pomeroy <ted.pome at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ted.pome at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     NMGLUGers and Leroy, Right. Printing. The release notes indicate
>     progress on printing without the need for proprietary firmware for
>     particular printers. I have long preferred HP printers as HP was
>     much more forthcoming with firmware. The section (for AMD64
>     architecture) on printing is Here.
>     <https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#driverless-operation>
>     The goal of driverless printing and better interoperability seems
>     to have been reached. This is covered in the "What's New" section
>     and I believe is similar across all architectures. I don't print
>     too often and I do not have any problematic printers or scanners,
>     so I cannot give any firsthand report on this. Still, the progress
>     is good news and I hope somebody will be able to give us a report
>     sometime this year.
>     Anyway I remain very happy with the upgrade and first steps with
>     Bullseye.
>     Thank you, Ted P
>     On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:10 AM Ted Pomeroy <ted.pome at gmail.com
>     <mailto:ted.pome at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         NMGLUGers,  in answering Leroy:
>          I am just now reading the release notes thoroughly. In the
>         main my Xfce desktop is the same, with new artwork, an empty
>         "Favorites" section of the app menu that I am adding to, and
>         some settings set to the new defaults that I am re-tweaking. I
>         have purged 'quodlibet' and 'exfalso' and installed
>         'audacious' and 'streamtuner2': this to get music streams from
>         the Internet.
>         Importantly there is a syntax change in the Debian security
>         line in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is explained in the
>         release notes on the Debian wiki website
>         <https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/armel/release-notes/ch-information.en.html>,
>         and is due to apt syntax symbols.
>         As I have only had two days to explore and use the 32 bit
>         laptop I cannot give a wider view just yet. I did find that
>         there are some special versions of the installer and some
>         unofficial versions include some firmware blobs for hardware
>         not covered by free drivers. I had decided to give up on
>         32-bit computing, but as Debian supports it, I will do some
>         more exploring on this. However, I have an even older laptop
>         running Buster and since there is about a year of support I
>         will let it be and discard it or pass it on at the end of a
>         year if not sooner. The slowness of these machines and lack
>         ability to play streaming video makes them subpar for even an
>         average user.
>         Still it is fun to explore and I am happy with the upgrade so
>         far. Thank you, Ted P
>         On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 9:44 AM Leroy Lints
>         <dr.leroybrown at gmail.com <mailto:dr.leroybrown at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Hey Ted,
>             What are the changes to printing that you found? I am curious.
>             Regards,
>             Leroy
>             On Mon, 2021-08-16 at 10:53 -0600, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
>             > NMGLUGers, Bullseye is Debian 11. It was released last
>             week and I
>             > have already had a chance to upgrade a 32 bit machine
>             and it runs
>             > well. The laptop is circa 2010 with an Atom processor.
>             Of course it
>             > is a bit slow, but that is not surprising. Kernel 5.10
>             is working
>             > well with this older laptop.
>             > I have begun to read the release notes and will study
>             them some more.
>             > There are changes to printing which sound interesting,
>             and some
>             > comments about the systemd logs and journals.  I will
>             have some more
>             > time before our virtual meeting this Thursday to test
>             the new
>             > software and make some changes in my selection of
>             applications for
>             > various tasks.
>             > Thank you, Ted P
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